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 More options Jun 23, 7:38 am
From: dali_70 <w_e_coyot...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 23 2008 7:38 am
Subject: OT- George Carlin RIP
George Carlin dies of heart failure.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/arts/24carlin.html?hp
He'll be greatly missed.

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Discussion subject changed to "Not OT- George Carlin (RIP) on religion" by Drafterman
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From: Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:19:40 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Not OT- George Carlin (RIP) on religion
When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have
to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and
exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion.
Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about
it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible
man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of
every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he
does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has
a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and
anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke
and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs
money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise,
somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of
dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now,
you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know,
when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really
tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us
in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close
eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you,
the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize,
something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger,
filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades.
Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the
best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong
on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd
expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you
and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on
his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this
guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if
there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is
a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least
incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give
a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of
these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly
and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands
of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I
decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I
could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I
became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at
night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper.
Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some
other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on
that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the
credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it
gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park,
reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least
there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply
because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no
pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we
don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to
compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me
I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved.
Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun.
But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our
friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking
trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and
begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a
better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day
off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you
know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was
arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like
to fuck that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You
know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for
that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you
want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan.
Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into
practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has
been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something.
Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do
you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a
little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if
every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and
fuck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose
your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's
will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's
going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fuck bother praying in
the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you
just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very
confusing.

So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as
I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci.
Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me,
that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe
Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple
of things that God was having trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the
barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one
visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball
bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed
something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and
all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about
the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I
don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the
horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo
Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing
the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your
superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and
literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you.
You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one.
Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's
Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where
the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care
for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral
comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's
horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together
again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God.
None, not one, no God, never was.

In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike
this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened?
Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a
little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing
happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls
hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have
been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe
Bless You!


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Discussion subject changed to "OT- George Carlin RIP" by simonsaysbye
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 More options Jun 23, 8:30 am
From: simonsaysbye <tahtah4...@live.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 23 2008 8:30 am
Subject: Re: OT- George Carlin RIP
Very sad.  I once used his material (believe it or not) as part of my
Christian testimony, to a group of atheists.

On Jun 23, 12:38 pm, dali_70 <w_e_coyot...@hotmail.com> wrote:


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Discussion subject changed to "Not OT- George Carlin (RIP) on religion" by zencycle
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 More options Jun 23, 8:41 am
From: "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:41:49 -0400
Local: Mon, Jun 23 2008 8:41 am
Subject: Re: [AvC] Not OT- George Carlin (RIP) on religion
That, his football vs. baseball, and his 'bullshit' routine are my favorites

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 More options Jun 23, 8:44 am
From: "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:44:03 -0400
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Subject: Re: [AvC] Re: OT- George Carlin RIP
From: "simonsaysbye" <tahtah4...@live.co.uk>

> Very sad.  I once used his material (believe it or not) as part of my
> Christian testimony, to a group of atheists.

(snicker) how'd _that_ work out for ya......

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From: Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 23 2008 9:15 am
Subject: Re: OT- George Carlin RIP
I left the TV on last night and thought I dreamed that. Carlin was a
crucial link in the evolution of "comedian as truth-teller" and
deserves to be named with Mark Twain and Lenny Bruce before him as one
of the guys who paved the way for Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and
Bill Maher.

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 More options Jun 23, 12:28 pm
From: simonsaysbye <tahtah4...@live.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:28:33 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 23 2008 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: OT- George Carlin RIP

On Jun 23, 1:44 pm, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: "simonsaysbye" <tahtah4...@live.co.uk>

> > Very sad.  I once used his material (believe it or not) as part of my
> > Christian testimony, to a group of atheists.

> (snicker) how'd _that_ work out for ya......

It was great: I memorized the stuff and I told them that this bit was
not my material, but George Carlin. I don't think Carlin would have
minded; if anything I think he would have enjoyed the irony.

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Discussion subject changed to "Not OT- George Carlin (RIP) on religion" by manny
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From: manny <daf...@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 23 2008 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: Not OT- George Carlin (RIP) on religion
Well, Well, Now I really think maybe you borne in prison, you're so
stupid I can't imagine how stupid you're.  OK where you drunk when you
write this shit, or high on drugs?  it must be something wrong with
you definitely.  Sure you have problem with people, it's nothing to do
with God.  Can't you see that in your own post?  if you can't then
you're mad.   Well I can't comment on all this shit, but one thing how
God need money? this what I try to say, you have problem with people
or with yourself, because you can't get to that money.  which one?
enjoy your shit really you think like a kid

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