Pat often presents his dire, alcohol-free Kaliber-Yawn space of modern
physics. He knows me well enough to know this is not nasty ridicule.
I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
new consciousness Molly might touch to from time to time, or Vam in
his sagacity of the 'one'.
I'm a long way from science these days, and find my knowledge off beam
when I look at odd bits of stuff that interest me. I'm left just
wondering how irrelevant it all seems as a tiny speck in enornmity,
possibly in a universe amongst many, trapped in the speed of light in
a vacuum within voids with a science fiction that takes me to the
despair of soap operas being played out in a future like the past
attempt to deny, with no purpose other than to repeat a history I
think I'm really ashamed to be part of. At the moment, I can't really
even dream anything else. Depression maybe - though I know enough of
this to doubt it is.
The biology of this appears somewhat played out. I am just a vessel
now obselete in sperm wars and the genetics of a cruel evolution that
makes me doubt soul and personal identity. The moral questions of the
day seem only part of this 'waiting for catastrophe' and renewal
beyond any personal influence. Life seems so far from any reason for
me to know (speculate) on time and being before big bang, even if this
might be evidenced in maps of background radiation.
I do find myself wondering whether biology might be about to change.
HOX genes are 'managing genes' that could give snakes legs and so on
by reorganising the other genes. Perhaps there are other organising
genetic forces-structures coming along that would change how and what
we perceive? After all, ants 'do slavery' and we tend to slap
ourselves into thinking this is 'immoral' and very conscious activity
(I'm sure it is rotten). If we are 99% chimp and 42% bananas, we are
hoxed very differently. I wonder if we could speculate on biology in
the 'Kaliber-Yawn' manner, instead of from within the trap of our
infestation of this planet? What might this wider biology be?
> Pat often presents his dire, alcohol-free Kaliber-Yawn space of modern
> physics. He knows me well enough to know this is not nasty ridicule.
> I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
> hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
> find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
> applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
> Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
> new consciousness Molly might touch to from time to time, or Vam in
> his sagacity of the 'one'.
> I'm a long way from science these days, and find my knowledge off beam
> when I look at odd bits of stuff that interest me. I'm left just
> wondering how irrelevant it all seems as a tiny speck in enornmity,
> possibly in a universe amongst many, trapped in the speed of light in
> a vacuum within voids with a science fiction that takes me to the
> despair of soap operas being played out in a future like the past
> attempt to deny, with no purpose other than to repeat a history I
> think I'm really ashamed to be part of. At the moment, I can't really
> even dream anything else. Depression maybe - though I know enough of
> this to doubt it is.
> The biology of this appears somewhat played out. I am just a vessel
> now obselete in sperm wars and the genetics of a cruel evolution that
> makes me doubt soul and personal identity. The moral questions of the
> day seem only part of this 'waiting for catastrophe' and renewal
> beyond any personal influence. Life seems so far from any reason for
> me to know (speculate) on time and being before big bang, even if this
> might be evidenced in maps of background radiation.
> I do find myself wondering whether biology might be about to change.
> HOX genes are 'managing genes' that could give snakes legs and so on
> by reorganising the other genes. Perhaps there are other organising
> genetic forces-structures coming along that would change how and what
> we perceive? After all, ants 'do slavery' and we tend to slap
> ourselves into thinking this is 'immoral' and very conscious activity
> (I'm sure it is rotten). If we are 99% chimp and 42% bananas, we are
> hoxed very differently. I wonder if we could speculate on biology in
> the 'Kaliber-Yawn' manner, instead of from within the trap of our
> infestation of this planet? What might this wider biology be?
> Point of interest: All teleological processes are alive.
> On Jun 29, 11:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Pat often presents his dire, alcohol-free Kaliber-Yawn space of modern
> > physics. He knows me well enough to know this is not nasty ridicule.
> > I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
> > hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
> > find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
> > applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
> > Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
> > new consciousness Molly might touch to from time to time, or Vam in
> > his sagacity of the 'one'.
> > I'm a long way from science these days, and find my knowledge off beam
> > when I look at odd bits of stuff that interest me. I'm left just
> > wondering how irrelevant it all seems as a tiny speck in enornmity,
> > possibly in a universe amongst many, trapped in the speed of light in
> > a vacuum within voids with a science fiction that takes me to the
> > despair of soap operas being played out in a future like the past
> > attempt to deny, with no purpose other than to repeat a history I
> > think I'm really ashamed to be part of. At the moment, I can't really
> > even dream anything else. Depression maybe - though I know enough of
> > this to doubt it is.
> > The biology of this appears somewhat played out. I am just a vessel
> > now obselete in sperm wars and the genetics of a cruel evolution that
> > makes me doubt soul and personal identity. The moral questions of the
> > day seem only part of this 'waiting for catastrophe' and renewal
> > beyond any personal influence. Life seems so far from any reason for
> > me to know (speculate) on time and being before big bang, even if this
> > might be evidenced in maps of background radiation.
> > I do find myself wondering whether biology might be about to change.
> > HOX genes are 'managing genes' that could give snakes legs and so on
> > by reorganising the other genes. Perhaps there are other organising
> > genetic forces-structures coming along that would change how and what
> > we perceive? After all, ants 'do slavery' and we tend to slap
> > ourselves into thinking this is 'immoral' and very conscious activity
> > (I'm sure it is rotten). If we are 99% chimp and 42% bananas, we are
> > hoxed very differently. I wonder if we could speculate on biology in
> > the 'Kaliber-Yawn' manner, instead of from within the trap of our
> > infestation of this planet? What might this wider biology be?- Hide quoted text -
On the contrary friend - this is my point. The physics is currently
somewhat demoralising, however Pat may enliven some possibilities. Do
any of us have a biological spec-articulation?
On 30 Jun, 08:12, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sorry Neil...perhaps I just need to step out of Flatland for a while.
> On Jun 30, 12:10 am, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Point of interest: All teleological processes are alive.
> > On Jun 29, 11:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Pat often presents his dire, alcohol-free Kaliber-Yawn space of modern
> > > physics. He knows me well enough to know this is not nasty ridicule.
> > > I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
> > > hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
> > > find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
> > > applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
> > > Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
> > > new consciousness Molly might touch to from time to time, or Vam in
> > > his sagacity of the 'one'.
> > > I'm a long way from science these days, and find my knowledge off beam
> > > when I look at odd bits of stuff that interest me. I'm left just
> > > wondering how irrelevant it all seems as a tiny speck in enornmity,
> > > possibly in a universe amongst many, trapped in the speed of light in
> > > a vacuum within voids with a science fiction that takes me to the
> > > despair of soap operas being played out in a future like the past
> > > attempt to deny, with no purpose other than to repeat a history I
> > > think I'm really ashamed to be part of. At the moment, I can't really
> > > even dream anything else. Depression maybe - though I know enough of
> > > this to doubt it is.
> > > The biology of this appears somewhat played out. I am just a vessel
> > > now obselete in sperm wars and the genetics of a cruel evolution that
> > > makes me doubt soul and personal identity. The moral questions of the
> > > day seem only part of this 'waiting for catastrophe' and renewal
> > > beyond any personal influence. Life seems so far from any reason for
> > > me to know (speculate) on time and being before big bang, even if this
> > > might be evidenced in maps of background radiation.
> > > I do find myself wondering whether biology might be about to change.
> > > HOX genes are 'managing genes' that could give snakes legs and so on
> > > by reorganising the other genes. Perhaps there are other organising
> > > genetic forces-structures coming along that would change how and what
> > > we perceive? After all, ants 'do slavery' and we tend to slap
> > > ourselves into thinking this is 'immoral' and very conscious activity
> > > (I'm sure it is rotten). If we are 99% chimp and 42% bananas, we are
> > > hoxed very differently. I wonder if we could speculate on biology in
> > > the 'Kaliber-Yawn' manner, instead of from within the trap of our
> > > infestation of this planet? What might this wider biology be?- Hide quoted text -
> I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
> hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
> find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
> applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
> Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
> new consciousness Molly might touch to from time to time, or Vam in
> his sagacity of the 'one'.
> I'm a long way from science these days, and find my knowledge off beam
> when I look at odd bits of stuff that interest me. I'm left just
> wondering how irrelevant it all seems as a tiny speck in enornmity,
> possibly in a universe amongst many, trapped in the speed of light in
> a vacuum within voids with a science fiction that takes me to the
> despair of soap operas being played out in a future like the past
> attempt to deny, with no purpose other than to repeat a history I
> think I'm really ashamed to be part of. At the moment, I can't really
> even dream anything else. Depression maybe - though I know enough of
> this to doubt it is.
> The biology of this appears somewhat played out. I am just a vessel
> now obselete in sperm wars and the genetics of a cruel evolution that
> makes me doubt soul and personal identity. The moral questions of the
> day seem only part of this 'waiting for catastrophe' and renewal
> beyond any personal influence. Life seems so far from any reason for
> me to know (speculate) on time and being before big bang, even if this
> might be evidenced in maps of background radiation.
> I do find myself wondering whether biology might be about to change.
> HOX genes are 'managing genes' that could give snakes legs and so on
> by reorganising the other genes. Perhaps there are other organising
> genetic forces-structures coming along that would change how and what
> we perceive? After all, ants 'do slavery' and we tend to slap
> ourselves into thinking this is 'immoral' and very conscious activity
> (I'm sure it is rotten). If we are 99% chimp and 42% bananas, we are
> hoxed very differently. I wonder if we could speculate on biology in
> the 'Kaliber-Yawn' manner, instead of from within the trap of our
> infestation of this planet? What might this wider biology be?
How about: Biology is the means by which God makes his thoughts
present in space-time.
Also, there's the Histone Code of epigenetics that could open
some new doors.
Also, one can ponder what DNA-like codes would be likely in
silicon-based lifeforms rather than our carbon-based garden
varieties. I bet there's not been a lot of work done in that.
On 30 Jun, 08:35, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On the contrary friend - this is my point. The physics is currently
> somewhat demoralising, however Pat may enliven some possibilities. Do
> any of us have a biological spec-articulation?
> On 30 Jun, 08:12, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sorry Neil...perhaps I just need to step out of Flatland for a while.
> > On Jun 30, 12:10 am, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Point of interest: All teleological processes are alive.
> > > On Jun 29, 11:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > Pat often presents his dire, alcohol-free Kaliber-Yawn space of modern
> > > > physics. He knows me well enough to know this is not nasty ridicule.
> > > > I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
> > > > hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
> > > > find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
> > > > applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
> > > > Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
> > > > new consciousness Molly might touch to from time to time, or Vam in
> > > > his sagacity of the 'one'.
> > > > I'm a long way from science these days, and find my knowledge off beam
> > > > when I look at odd bits of stuff that interest me. I'm left just
> > > > wondering how irrelevant it all seems as a tiny speck in enornmity,
> > > > possibly in a universe amongst many, trapped in the speed of light in
> > > > a vacuum within voids with a science fiction that takes me to the
> > > > despair of soap operas being played out in a future like the past
> > > > attempt to deny, with no purpose other than to repeat a history I
> > > > think I'm really ashamed to be part of. At the moment, I can't really
> > > > even dream anything else. Depression maybe - though I know enough of
> > > > this to doubt it is.
> > > > The biology of this appears somewhat played out. I am just a vessel
> > > > now obselete in sperm wars and the genetics of a cruel evolution that
> > > > makes me doubt soul and personal identity. The moral questions of the
> > > > day seem only part of this 'waiting for catastrophe' and renewal
> > > > beyond any personal influence. Life seems so far from any reason for
> > > > me to know (speculate) on time and being before big bang, even if this
> > > > might be evidenced in maps of background radiation.
> > > > I do find myself wondering whether biology might be about to change.
> > > > HOX genes are 'managing genes' that could give snakes legs and so on
> > > > by reorganising the other genes. Perhaps there are other organising
> > > > genetic forces-structures coming along that would change how and what
> > > > we perceive? After all, ants 'do slavery' and we tend to slap
> > > > ourselves into thinking this is 'immoral' and very conscious activity
> > > > (I'm sure it is rotten). If we are 99% chimp and 42% bananas, we are
> > > > hoxed very differently. I wonder if we could speculate on biology in
> > > > the 'Kaliber-Yawn' manner, instead of from within the trap of our
> > > > infestation of this planet? What might this wider biology be?- Hide quoted text -
I don't exactly like the god notion Pat - yet Biology seems to need
some explanation, especially given that we can't exactly travel to
the stars, other than in our ramshackle-tinfoil way. Currently we
would struggle to get to Mars, though would find soil suitable for
vegetables. I would not dismiss the god-thought expression in any way
- but what can we elaborate on this or rival skeletons?
On 30 Jun, 10:35, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 30 Jun, 08:35, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On the contrary friend - this is my point. The physics is currently
> > somewhat demoralising, however Pat may enliven some possibilities. Do
> > any of us have a biological spec-articulation?
> Done, in my message above.
> > On 30 Jun, 08:12, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Sorry Neil...perhaps I just need to step out of Flatland for a while.
> > > On Jun 30, 12:10 am, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Point of interest: All teleological processes are alive.
> > > > On Jun 29, 11:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Pat often presents his dire, alcohol-free Kaliber-Yawn space of modern
> > > > > physics. He knows me well enough to know this is not nasty ridicule.
> > > > > I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
> > > > > hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
> > > > > find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
> > > > > applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
> > > > > Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
> > > > > new consciousness Molly might touch to from time to time, or Vam in
> > > > > his sagacity of the 'one'.
> > > > > I'm a long way from science these days, and find my knowledge off beam
> > > > > when I look at odd bits of stuff that interest me. I'm left just
> > > > > wondering how irrelevant it all seems as a tiny speck in enornmity,
> > > > > possibly in a universe amongst many, trapped in the speed of light in
> > > > > a vacuum within voids with a science fiction that takes me to the
> > > > > despair of soap operas being played out in a future like the past
> > > > > attempt to deny, with no purpose other than to repeat a history I
> > > > > think I'm really ashamed to be part of. At the moment, I can't really
> > > > > even dream anything else. Depression maybe - though I know enough of
> > > > > this to doubt it is.
> > > > > The biology of this appears somewhat played out. I am just a vessel
> > > > > now obselete in sperm wars and the genetics of a cruel evolution that
> > > > > makes me doubt soul and personal identity. The moral questions of the
> > > > > day seem only part of this 'waiting for catastrophe' and renewal
> > > > > beyond any personal influence. Life seems so far from any reason for
> > > > > me to know (speculate) on time and being before big bang, even if this
> > > > > might be evidenced in maps of background radiation.
> > > > > I do find myself wondering whether biology might be about to change.
> > > > > HOX genes are 'managing genes' that could give snakes legs and so on
> > > > > by reorganising the other genes. Perhaps there are other organising
> > > > > genetic forces-structures coming along that would change how and what
> > > > > we perceive? After all, ants 'do slavery' and we tend to slap
> > > > > ourselves into thinking this is 'immoral' and very conscious activity
> > > > > (I'm sure it is rotten). If we are 99% chimp and 42% bananas, we are
> > > > > hoxed very differently. I wonder if we could speculate on biology in
> > > > > the 'Kaliber-Yawn' manner, instead of from within the trap of our
> > > > > infestation of this planet? What might this wider biology be?- Hide quoted text -
> On 30 Jun, 08:35, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On the contrary friend - this is my point. The physics is currently
> > somewhat demoralising, however Pat may enliven some possibilities. Do
> > any of us have a biological spec-articulation?
> Done, in my message above.
> > On 30 Jun, 08:12, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Sorry Neil...perhaps I just need to step out of Flatland for a while.
> > > On Jun 30, 12:10 am, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Point of interest: All teleological processes are alive.
> > > > On Jun 29, 11:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Pat often presents his dire, alcohol-free Kaliber-Yawn space of modern
> > > > > physics. He knows me well enough to know this is not nasty ridicule.
> > > > > I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
> > > > > hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
> > > > > find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
> > > > > applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
> > > > > Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
> > > > > new consciousness Molly might touch to from time to time, or Vam in
> > > > > his sagacity of the 'one'.
> > > > > I'm a long way from science these days, and find my knowledge off beam
> > > > > when I look at odd bits of stuff that interest me. I'm left just
> > > > > wondering how irrelevant it all seems as a tiny speck in enornmity,
> > > > > possibly in a universe amongst many, trapped in the speed of light in
> > > > > a vacuum within voids with a science fiction that takes me to the
> > > > > despair of soap operas being played out in a future like the past
> > > > > attempt to deny, with no purpose other than to repeat a history I
> > > > > think I'm really ashamed to be part of. At the moment, I can't really
> > > > > even dream anything else. Depression maybe - though I know enough of
> > > > > this to doubt it is.
> > > > > The biology of this appears somewhat played out. I am just a vessel
> > > > > now obselete in sperm wars and the genetics of a cruel evolution that
> > > > > makes me doubt soul and personal identity. The moral questions of the
> > > > > day seem only part of this 'waiting for catastrophe' and renewal
> > > > > beyond any personal influence. Life seems so far from any reason for
> > > > > me to know (speculate) on time and being before big bang, even if this
> > > > > might be evidenced in maps of background radiation.
> > > > > I do find myself wondering whether biology might be about to change.
> > > > > HOX genes are 'managing genes' that could give snakes legs and so on
> > > > > by reorganising the other genes. Perhaps there are other organising
> > > > > genetic forces-structures coming along that would change how and what
> > > > > we perceive? After all, ants 'do slavery' and we tend to slap
> > > > > ourselves into thinking this is 'immoral' and very conscious activity
> > > > > (I'm sure it is rotten). If we are 99% chimp and 42% bananas, we are
> > > > > hoxed very differently. I wonder if we could speculate on biology in
> > > > > the 'Kaliber-Yawn' manner, instead of from within the trap of our
> > > > > infestation of this planet? What might this wider biology be?- Hide quoted text -
Our bodies are only one very small part of the entire 'tree'. They are
at the base, and next comes our brains then our sexual and spiritual
drives. Yet, we then have to move through a hand full of subconscious
'minds' until we even reach cognition. Introspection will not be found
in biology. And, hormones are one aspect of 'mind'.
On Jun 30, 5:06 am, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> DNA is definitely not all, nor macro survival of the fittest, or
> catastophe driven change. What would modern speco-thinking be on
> this?
> On 30 Jun, 10:35, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 30 Jun, 08:35, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > On the contrary friend - this is my point. The physics is currently
> > > somewhat demoralising, however Pat may enliven some possibilities. Do
> > > any of us have a biological spec-articulation?
> > Done, in my message above.
> > > On 30 Jun, 08:12, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Sorry Neil...perhaps I just need to step out of Flatland for a while.
> > > > On Jun 30, 12:10 am, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Point of interest: All teleological processes are alive.
> > > > > On Jun 29, 11:57 pm, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Pat often presents his dire, alcohol-free Kaliber-Yawn space of modern
> > > > > > physics. He knows me well enough to know this is not nasty ridicule.
> > > > > > I find myself wondering how different my life really is from feeling
> > > > > > hungry, finding rabbit in trap and cooking and eating it. I currently
> > > > > > find myself teaching foreign students for much the same purpose, or
> > > > > > applying for jobs to do so etc. It is as vapid a process as anything
> > > > > > Orn describes in the current heartless materialism, and way from any
> > > > > > ne
