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Stephen Montgomery-Smith  
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 More options Jul 2, 3:29 pm
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From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <step...@math.missouri.edu>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:29:19 -0500
Local: Wed, Jul 2 2008 3:29 pm
Subject: modernism or post-modernism
A friend recently explained to me that post-modernism is where one's
meta-narrative is that there is no meta-narrative.  Obviously this
raised a contradiction, but then I realized that this was a modernists
disproof of post-modernism, and as such was invalid.

Then I started to think about why I accept modernism as so infallible.
The only answer I could come up with was "it just feels right!"

What do you think?

Stephen


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Gerry Myerson  
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From: Gerry Myerson <ge...@maths.mq.edi.ai.i2u4email>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:07:53 GMT
Local: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:07 pm
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism
In article <sIKdnfh40-uMSvbVnZ2dnUVZ_r_in...@centurytel.net>,
 Stephen Montgomery-Smith <step...@math.missouri.edu> wrote:

> A friend recently explained to me that post-modernism is where one's
> meta-narrative is that there is no meta-narrative.  Obviously this
> raised a contradiction, but then I realized that this was a modernists
> disproof of post-modernism, and as such was invalid.

> Then I started to think about why I accept modernism as so infallible.
> The only answer I could come up with was "it just feels right!"

> What do you think?

I recently heard some bank in Switzerland referred to as
the central bank for central banks. It led me to wonder whether
there is a central bank for non-central banks, and, if so,
whether such a bank would be a member.

--
Gerry Myerson (ge...@maths.mq.edi.ai) (i -> u for email)


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Gib Bogle  
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 More options Jul 2, 9:56 pm
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From: Gib Bogle <g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:56:55 +1200
Local: Wed, Jul 2 2008 9:56 pm
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism

Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> A friend recently explained to me that post-modernism is where one's
> meta-narrative is that there is no meta-narrative.  Obviously this
> raised a contradiction, but then I realized that this was a modernists
> disproof of post-modernism, and as such was invalid.

> Then I started to think about why I accept modernism as so infallible.
> The only answer I could come up with was "it just feels right!"

> What do you think?

> Stephen

I think these terms have virtually zero content.

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porky_pig_jr@my-deja.com  
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 More options Jul 2, 10:47 pm
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From: "porky_pig...@my-deja.com" <porky_pig...@my-deja.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:47:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 2 2008 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism
On Jul 2, 7:07 pm, Gerry Myerson <ge...@maths.mq.edi.ai.i2u4email>
wrote

> I recently heard some bank in Switzerland referred to as
> the central bank for central banks. It led me to wonder whether
> there is a central bank for non-central banks, and, if so,
> whether such a bank would be a member.

A member of what?

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Stephen Montgomery-Smith  
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 More options Jul 2, 10:55 pm
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From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <step...@math.missouri.edu>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:55:27 -0500
Local: Wed, Jul 2 2008 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism

porky_pig...@my-deja.com wrote:
> On Jul 2, 7:07 pm, Gerry Myerson <ge...@maths.mq.edi.ai.i2u4email>
> wrote
>> I recently heard some bank in Switzerland referred to as
>> the central bank for central banks. It led me to wonder whether
>> there is a central bank for non-central banks, and, if so,
>> whether such a bank would be a member.

> A member of what?

Do banks satisfy the axiom of foundation?

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ju...@diegidio.name  
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From: ju...@diegidio.name
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:40:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 2 2008 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism
On 2 Jul, 20:29, Stephen Montgomery-Smith <step...@math.missouri.edu>
wrote:

> A friend recently explained to me that post-modernism is where one's
> meta-narrative is that there is no meta-narrative.

Post-modernism is where one's meta-narrative is that there is nothing
but meta-narrative.

And that's the bright side.

-LV


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Michael Press  
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From: Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:20:30 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 12:20 am
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism
In article <sIKdnfh40-uMSvbVnZ2dnUVZ_r_in...@centurytel.net>,
 Stephen Montgomery-Smith <step...@math.missouri.edu> wrote:

> A friend recently explained to me that post-modernism is where one's
> meta-narrative is that there is no meta-narrative.  Obviously this
> raised a contradiction, but then I realized that this was a modernists
> disproof of post-modernism, and as such was invalid.

> Then I started to think about why I accept modernism as so infallible.
> The only answer I could come up with was "it just feels right!"

> What do you think?

Everybody has a hidden message except post-modernists.
Any post-modernist found to have a hidden message in
his published work voluntarily retires to a re-education camp.

--
Michael Press


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Angus Rodgers  
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From: Angus Rodgers <twir...@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:25:27 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 3:25 am
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:55:27 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith

<step...@math.missouri.edu> wrote:
>porky_pig...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> On Jul 2, 7:07 pm, Gerry Myerson <ge...@maths.mq.edi.ai.i2u4email>
>> wrote
>>> I recently heard some bank in Switzerland referred to as
>>> the central bank for central banks. It led me to wonder whether
>>> there is a central bank for non-central banks, and, if so,
>>> whether such a bank would be a member.

>> A member of what?

>Do banks satisfy the axiom of foundation?

There will be a charge for answering that question.

--
Angus Rodgers
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Contains mild peril


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Timothy Murphy  
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 More options Jul 3, 10:25 am
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From: Timothy Murphy <gayle...@eircom.net>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:25:50 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 10:25 am
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism

Angus Rodgers wrote:
>>Do banks satisfy the axiom of foundation?

> There will be a charge for answering that question.

Was it Dieudonne or Godement who gave the set of honest bankers
as an example of the empty set, in a textbook?

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Angus Rodgers  
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 More options Jul 3, 9:50 am
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From: Angus Rodgers <twir...@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:50:24 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 9:50 am
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:25:50 +0100, Timothy Murphy

<gayle...@eircom.net> wrote:
>Angus Rodgers wrote:

>>>Do banks satisfy the axiom of foundation?

>> There will be a charge for answering that question.

>Was it Dieudonne or Godement who gave the set of honest bankers
>as an example of the empty set, in a textbook?

Godement's /Algebra/, published in Paris in 1968 (that's the English
translation of the 1963 French original), has some exercises referring
to Algeria and suchlike matters.  I haven't found the exact example
you mention, but there is Remark 6 in page 32: ``in everyday life,
the assertion "honest bankers exist" is not a very substantial piece
of information since, by itself, it does not enable one to /exhibit/
an honest banker.''

Exercise 13 of Chapter 0 (marked as "hard") reads:

 On the planet Mars there are (at a first approximation) two sorts
 of political opinions: right and left.  On the other hand, the
 Martian students are divided into two associations: the Planetary
 Union of Martian Students (PUMS) and the Planetary Federation of
 Martian Students (PFMS).  Knowing that the left-wing students
 belong to the PUMS, show that the PFMS is non-political.

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Angus Rodgers
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amzoti  
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 More options Jul 3, 11:02 am
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From: amzoti <amz...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 11:02 am
Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism
On Jul 2, 12:29 pm, Stephen Montgomery-Smith

<step...@math.missouri.edu> wrote:
> A friend recently explained to me that post-modernism is where one's
> meta-narrative is that there is no meta-narrative.  Obviously this
> raised a contradiction, but then I realized that this was a modernists
> disproof of post-modernism, and as such was invalid.

> Then I started to think about why I accept modernism as so infallible.
> The only answer I could come up with was "it just feels right!"

> What do you think?

> Stephen

Maybe these help (I'm not sure)?

1. http://teleiaphilia.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/an-incredulity-toward-po...

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanarrative (also see references)

3. https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/10250/1/Hutcheon199...

4. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/7101/picture/pomodef.html

5. http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/perloff/postmod.html

6. http://www.rapidresponsereport.com/briefingpapers/Postmodernism58.pdf

7. http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/is-metanarrative-possible-...

8. http://www.postmodernpreaching.net/metanarrative.htm

9. http://www.masstheology.com/2008/04/16/a-formal-defintion-of-postmode...

10. http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/04/postmodern_truth_soup.html

There are even books on the matter, for example:

Challenging Modernity: Dada Between Modern and Postmodern (Cultural
Studies) (Hardcover)
by Mark A. Pegrum (Author)

HTH ~A

4.


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Angus Rodgers  
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From: Angus Rodgers <twir...@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:01:38 +0100
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Subject: Re: modernism or post-modernism
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:29:19 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith

<step...@math.missouri.edu> wrote:
>A friend recently explained to me that post-modernism is where one's
>meta-narrative is that there is no meta-narrative.  Obviously this
>raised a contradiction, but then I realized that this was a modernists
>disproof of post-modernism, and as such was invalid.

>Then I started to think about why I accept modernism as so infallible.
>The only answer I could come up with was "it just feels right!"

>What do you think?

Postmodernism is the cloud of ink squirted out by the Despair Squid.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_Reality_(Red_Dwarf_episode)>
<www.book-of-thoth.com/archives-printpdf-7431.html>

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